Yancy Gates; The Punch Heard Round The World and The Dark Side of Sports
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I have had several hours to marinate on the aftermath of the crazy and disgraceful brawl that ended the Crosstown Shootout. For the most part I have avoided the aftermath and the swelling controversy. Other than the just concluded Heisman Trophy Ceremony, which went some way to restoring my faith in sport as an article of positive change in peoples lives, I have not turned on ESPN since it happened. aside from the first 45 or so minutes after the punch I haven't mainlined twitter and I have been absent from the frothing sea of insanity that is the message boards today. So chances are I am relatively ill informed about everything. I should probably apologize off the top for that.
One qualifying statement off the top. As much as I would like to say that the blame for this lies squarely at the feet of Tu Holloway, Mark Lyons and Dezmine Wells I can't. They started the melee, and their actions throughout the game had the effect of slowly bringing the pot to a boil. They have as much a share in my disgust as anyone else, and all have special little niches carved out in the 8th circle of my sporting hell. Still that's not why I am angry.
I must confess that today is the most disappointed that I have ever been as a Bearcat fan. Ever. And it's not even close. UC has experienced its fair share of sporting disappointment. But most of those things have been the outcome of actual games, and thus are easier to forget about and move on from. I can handle a bad break in the course of the game. All sports are riling, writhing fiercely emotional things that are decided, more often than not, on a few fluky bounces of a ball. The inherent randomness of it all is what draws me to games. But its also what makes it (relatively) easy to move on from at the conclusion.
I was already disappointed in the game. I was going to be. It's 23 point loss, on the road, against a fierce rival in a game that UC had to have. Yeah it's disappointing to lose that game, in that manner especially. But to see the game degenerate into absolute mayhem was utterly disheartening.
I follow a alot of UC people on twitter. Hard core died in the wool Bearcat fans. And the reaction was, to put it mildly, unbecoming. A constant refrain was that Xavier started the fight, UC finished it. The fact that the line was repeated so voraciously and with so much conviction was utterly disheartening. Winning the fight at the end of a game is not the same as winning the game. So few people were willing to make that connection.
I could give a shit who started the fight, or who ended it. The fact that it even came to this is forever a stain upon the reputation of everyone involved in the incident. Chris Mack did a terrible job keeping his players in line in the last 5 minutes of the game. Mick Cronin could have done more. In my mind the officials who worked this game should never be allowed to work again this season and share as much or more culpability as anyone else. Cincinnati - Xavier games are fragile, fragile affairs. Not in the style of play but the emotion of the rivalry, the environment and the way the game has always been conducted means that the contest rests, perpetually, on a tipping point of sorts. In a contest like this the only job of the refs is to prevent this kind of shit from happening. Mike Roberts, Jeffrey Anderson and Tony Crisp failed, miserably to do the most basic task of a ref, to keep the proverbial peace. They should never work another game again this year. Anyone watching the game, and anyone at the game could sense that all the trash talk, all the bullshit was building to something. The only people who couldn't see it coming were the refs, and they could do very little to stop something that they themselves couldn't see coming.
Much blame has been leveled in the direction of Yancy Gates, and not without reason. I get that he was coming to the aide of a teammate. I get that he was frustrated with the way the game turned out. I know what's like to be a part of a team, part of a brotherhood. I know what it is like to lose a game to a hated rival, to people who's very existence makes me radiate with uncontrolled anger. The circumstances which led to Yancy Gates punching of Kenny Frease are understandable, even somewhat relateable. But circumstances, not matter how profound, can never excuse the actions of a person. Ever. Certain things are always wrong, in sport, in life, in society.
Yancy acted out of anger, frustration, confusion and whatever else you can think of. But no combinations of emotions should ever lead to the outcome today. Yancy should never wear a Bearcats uniform again after what he did today. The same can be said of Octavius Ellis and Chikh Mbodj who both acted disgracefully in the circumstances. Mick Cronin has said that he plans to sit down with President Williams, and probably Whit Babcock as well, to review the film and decide who gets to stay on the team. I would have no problem at all seeing indefinite suspensions for everyone involved. I could give a shit if that means UC loses the every game for the rest of the year.
Sport is a supposed to affect positive changes in peoples lives. It its best the power of sport can be trans formative to the individual. It can bring pride to communities and unite people of disparate socio economic backgrounds, races, creeds and belief systems. Thats why half of all Disney movies are sports movies (don't fact check that). But there is always a darker, more vicious and cynical side to sport that is always there. Always lurking just beneath the surface. We don't often see it, but when we do its never pretty. I am used to seeing that malicious side from afar. Rarely does it surface with teams that I follow and root for. Today it reared its ugly head on a team that I live and die for. And let me tell you this fucking sucks.
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Matt,
Please get off your high horse. You are completely overreacting. You are to journalism as XU & UC were to basketball today. And if you really want to take the moral high ground, then stop dropping the f-bomb every other paragraph. It does nothing to add to your arguement; rather only detracts from it. Grow up.
You really joined the site just to make this incoherent post?
He is to journalism what XU and UC were to basketball? What? I don’t really think this is an overreaction at all. What happened is completely embarrassing for our school(s) and our city. Oh, and cursing is immoral? Grow up.
"I thought, 'Ball, please get down and into my hands.'"
-AJ Green
Overreacting
Although you have a mature take on the game, I think you are overreacting. No matter how you look at it, both sides brought this on themselves. Anything more than a 2 game suspension is an overreaction. Yea there were some bad punches, but everyone is fine. Fighting happens in sports sometimes and there is nothing you can do to change that, imo.
Good post
I disagree that he’s overreacting. Pushing, shoving, trash-talking, etc. are part of the game – regrettable, and it would be better if the incidence of such could be reduced, but part of the game.
But sucker-punching someone who’s looking in the opposite direction, as hard as you can, flush in the face, is disgusting and criminal. If you say “well, it was a high-tempered game, and the other team was talking trash – therefore, that aggravated battery was appropriate,” then there’s something really wrong with you.
This feels worse than when they let Huggins go.
I do agree that Yancy must go. His actions, outside of the court, over the past two years have been terrible. In the short and long run the team will be better off without him.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
Good comment but...
this was no worse than the Reds Cards fight a year ago. Cronin made clear that UC will take it as seriously as you do. I take comfort in that. It would be a shame if this ends Yancey’s college basketball career because he should have a chance to not begin his future based on one bad event.
I disagree with the person above that this one event is a continuation of a two year pattern with Gates.
I was surprised Daugherty suggested Kenny Freese was going after a UC player to help break up the fight. Kenny Freese was taunting in the XU-Butler game and he’s a bully drunk around Dana Gardens so to think he was going after a smaller UC player surrounded by a bunch of coaches to break up the fight is ridiculous.
Ugly on all sides and will be forgotten in a week at least until the next Crosstown Shootout.
Hopefully a teaching moment for all involved. The kids need their punishment but they also need to be treated as students who are learning and not set loose in the world away from a game they love and has given them opportunity and structure due to one bad event.
Suspensions or no, I wouldn't be suprised if this team wins very few games from here on out
Massive punishment might be the only way Cronin keeps his job. This team was heading for a 10 win (or fewer) season prior to the fight; if he kicks a few guys off the team he at least has an excuse for losing (beyond his inability to recruit competitive players), and gets to take the moral high road as well.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 11, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions
What is so confusing? This is a terrible, undisciplined team
Even without this fight, the team was on its way to a horrible season, the kind that costs coaches’ jobs.
Now, Cronin can point to the suspensions as an excuse, and his own role as “disciplinarian” as a credit to his coaching style.
I’m actually a little surprised he didn’t kick anyone off the team.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Guys.... WVU fan here wanted to say as much as I hate Cronin I respect what he did and said after the game.
The very fact XU was so quiet in the aftermath and what their player said about being “gansta” that shows you what kind of douche bags they are. I agree that things should have never gone that far but being a former athlete know how those situations can go. The fact that XU said that you “should wait till after the game to trash talk” then did all that they did shows you they are no better. A real team would have let silence and the score speak for them and not regress to 8 year olds on the playground. Good luck the rest of the way and can’t wait to play you guys.
Couldn't have been said any better
This was a disgrace to UC, the city and everyone involved. It becomes more and more clear each year that Mick lacks the control of this team. Not just in behavior but in gameplay as well. He regularly brings in great recruits and has no way of developing a program philosophy to mold them. He is a fiery guy on the sideline but clearly he has no stance with the players. It shouldn’t be 6 games in this case, he needs to become a coach and kick players off. Check with any good coah around the nation, their teams have an identity. Whether it be hustle, defense, fast pace, or hard line discipline. Mick has none of these. And his lack of direction leads to events like this, like yancy wandering away from the basket and in the end having no control over the situation. This is what those in the coaching profession call “a teachable moment” and what did Mick teach? What did he teach when he suspended Yancy last time?
by jrscheper on Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I would agree, except for the part about bringing in "great recruits"
The last 2 recruiting classes have contained exactly one player who is even close to being a Big East-quality recruit, Justin Jackson, and he is a role player at best. That’s 2 years, 9 recruits, and no starting-quality players, or even anyone who looks like they have much potential to become starting-quality players.
The irony is that this fight probably helped Cronin – he is getting credit for taking a strong stance against the incident (helped by Mack’s mealy-mouthed “I am not a decision maker” crap). This of course ignores the fact that his inability to police his team helped lead to this in the first place.
In addition, the next 6 losses can be blamed on Yancy Gates and the fight, even if they weren’t likely to win any of the games even at full strength.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I agree...mostly
Matt you’re thoughts on the game are very, very close to mine with the possible excpetion of terminating Yancy Gates’ contract. Not one to look to lay blame, it lays with all involved. I am a retired sports official and can tell you the officials from that game are besides thems elves with thoughts of woulda, coulda, shoulda. They were in over their heads, the assignore needs to review his assigning of officials to games such as this. Experience matters in officiating as it does in coaching and playing.
XU players indeed were the instigators, and UC players escalated the actions. Actions by all were deplorable. Yancy is no more at fault than Tu or any other other. There were many punches and kicks that landed or didn’t. Yancy is no worse for having landed his and drawing blood. Yancy is however, no less culpable either.
Chris Mack should not have had his starters in at that point with a 20+ margin and under 1:00 to play. Officials should have beenr diing herd and keeping peace. A timeout by XU afer that last basket would likely have saved all of this from happening. UC players should not have reacted with the force and violent actions they did.
We should be able to expect more form scholarship athletes at this level. I am disappointed in all involved. No player is bigger than the program, and I continue to be a Bearcats fan. That being said, being a fan and donating money are two different things. UC will need to earn back my loyalty as a donor.
Ucats Rick
Blame the clueless coaches
Matt’s got it right. The coaches encourage trash talk, allow players to call themselves gangstas, buy in to token punishments, then are embarrassed. It doesn’t happen where coaches are ethical and in control. See Army-Navy, or if that’s too small time for you check out Chip Kelly at Oregon. read more at http://goo.gl/YxW7Z.

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